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[TheMr. 3 009]

Żeleński baza. Odpowiedź ładna. 

[VRman]

Ale jak to? Czemu nie do fiutina? Przecież Trump się z nim tak dobrze koleguje! Czemu do Ukraińców o pomoc, a nie do rosjan?

Przecież silniki potrzebującym rosj.. ee.. Białorusinom Trump posłał, to czemu  jego dobry kumpel fiutin nie miałby pomóc?

 

Miał dać Tomahawki, ale powiedział, że nie ma, po czym sprzedał Arabom. Ostatnio powiedział, że mają wszystkiego na biliardy lat wojen, bo "nieskończone zapasy". 

Dopiero co Zeleńskiego obraził, a teraz takie coś. 

 

Niektóre drony lecące z Iranu niekoniecznie w stronę Amerykanów, są ruskie. 

No kurde - Włodek kolegę Donka nie wesprze? Może za mało czerwony dywan  był i się Włodek obraził. Donald się musi bardziej starać, bo potem takie problemy...

 

[KiloKush]

Ja tak tu tylko wrzucę coś z grudnia 2024

[Klakier1984]

12 godzin temu, Badalamann napisał(a):

@Camis Jeśli uda mu się pokonać reżim w Iranie i ustanowić tam władze prozachodnie, to kto wie  

Przecież wiesz, że na to nie ma żadnych szans. Robili burdel w sporo słabszych państwach w regionie i uciekali z podkulonym ogonem.

Chyba że faktycznie w Iranie większość aktualnej władzy to piękni fantastyczni ludzie, którzy  marzą o tym żeby się Trumpowi poddać 

Edytowane 3 godziny temu przez Klakier1984

[Badalamann]

@Klakier1984 Uważam całkiem inaczej. Pisałem o tym wcześniej.

 

Wszystko zależy czy uda się zbudować siły naziemne, dostatecznie silne by pokonać te rezimowe. Przy wsparciu lotnictwa oczywiście.

 

Myśle że za miesiąc będzie dużo więcej wiadomo.

[TheMr.]

Fajne te sankcje. Takie jednomiesięczne. 

[Klakier1984]

8 minut temu, Badalamann napisał(a):

@Klakier1984 Uważam całkiem inaczej. Pisałem o tym wcześniej.

To przypomnij mi dlaczego nie udało się w Afganistanie, a tu by się miało udać?

[drex1]

Władze Węgier bezpodstawnie zatrzymały ukraiński konwój przewożący miliony dolarów, euro oraz złoto. Siedmiu pracowników banku Oszczadbank zniknęło bez śladu. Szef ukraińskiej dyplomacji Andrij Sybiha nie przebiera w słowach, oskarżając Budapeszt o "wzięcie zakładników i kradzież". Sytuacja między Kijowem a rządem Viktora Orbana staje się krytyczna.

 

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/wegry-wziely-zakladnikow-kijow-oskarza-o-kradziez-milionow-7261295814482016a

[Badalamann]

@Klakier1984 Udało się. Błędem było wycofanie się oraz zbyt mała presja na saojusnzików by liczniej uczestniczyli w misji.

 

Liczę też że w Iraku oprą sie o solidniejszych lokalnych partenrów. Konkretnie o Kurdów.

 

Tłumaczyłem już wcześniej, pokonanie reżimu i ustanowienie, conajmniej neutralnych wobec zachodu, władz w Iranie to konieczność. 

Oby się udało już tym razem.

Edytowane 2 godziny temu przez Badalamann

[drex1]

38 minut temu, Badalamann napisał(a):

 

 

Liczę też że w Iraku oprą sie o solidniejszych lokalnych partenrów. Konkretnie o Kurdów.

Tłumaczyłem już wcześniej, pokonanie reżimu i ustanowienie, conajmniej neutralnych wobec zachodu, władz w Iranie to konieczność. 

Oby się udało już tym razem.

Według wywiadu USA, a także informacji krajów europejskich i arabskich nie ma oznak świadczących o możliwym buncie ludności w Iranie. Nie zaobserwowano też pęknięć reżimu — napisał w czwartek dziennik "Washington Post".

...Nie ma ani jednego znaku świadczącego o tym, że system się załamuje albo że ktoś odchodzi. Nic. Zero — powiedział wysokiej rangi europejski przedstawiciel władz. — Kontrola jest całkowita — dodał.

 

https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/tak-zachowuja-sie-iranczycy-po-smierci-chameneia-wywiad-usa-zdradza-kulisy/ltjbmdk,79cfc278

[LeBomB]

@Badalamann w Afganistanie nic się nie udało. Amerykanie siedzieli tam 20 lat i co? Nic. Nic to nie dało bo przez 20 lat nie zbudowali żadnej władzy wewnętrznej będącej, jak to określasz, neutralną wobec zachodu. Zrobili tylko krok w stronę wycofania to pierwsze co, pojawili się talibowie wprowadzając ponownie władze totalitarną. Wrócili dokładnie do punktu w którym byli przed 2001 rokiem, z tym że bez żadnych szans na zmianę.

[Klakier1984]

Jak widać "udało się" można interpretować na wiele sposobów

[Keller]

Podrzucę wam rozmowę z niby rosyjskim wojskowym lub takiego udaje. Twierdzi, że nie mają interesu atakować Polski (chyba że będziemy mieć balistyczne pociski USA i UK). A w ogóle to wyzwolili nas od Niemiec po 2 WŚ.

 

Putin is defending Russia's interests in the face of NATO, a decidedly undefensive bloc that was attempting to deploy new bases on its new flank—Ukraine. What's the connection between Putin and Trump if the Yankees aren't being threatened with base deployments around their territory? Just to say something about Putin, I suppose? Then maybe you can remember how many times Poland has attacked Russia throughout history. You don't hate yourself, by any chance, since you fought against the USSR in World War II on Germany's side.

 

"There are no NATO bases in Ukraine" (c) - no longer, I agree, but we were in Odessa, we saw it with our own eyes, so I can't lie on the leftist Wikipedia. I'm a military man and I saw not only the bases themselves, but also the weapons assigned to them, as well as the documentation "NATO is a defense alliance" (c) - tell that to Serbia, for example. In recent decades, it wasn't Russia that attacked, but Russia, the USSR, etc., so I beg to differ. "The SVO, where you're so bad" (c) - well, considering Russia is waging war against fifty countries, it's quite good, I'd say. Or do you think we don't know about the supplies, the hordes of mercenaries, including from your country, where mercenary activity against Russia is legalized, something that doesn't exist in any normal country in the world, and where such actions by citizens are prosecuted?!) "The listed military events" - more than half of them were Polish attacks, not the other way around, and in alliances with one or the other. Occupation, you say? Maybe it wasn't worth fighting on the side of Nazi Germany, and everything would have been fine? But even if we ignore that, are you really occupied?) Did Soviet troops simply leave, or are you saying the Poles fought to defend their independence?) "Poland is to blame for World War II" (c) - where did you get that idea? No one holds Poland guilty, and even Hitler was essentially forced to start a war to save Austria, which the same players always wanted to tear apart. I don't know who told you that Russia blames Poland for World War II, but that's nonsense. All that some of your elites are guilty of is siding with Nazi Germany, but that's understandable in a world where you either die or help. "Rewriting history, propaganda, and blah-blah" (c) – why do you think I'm the one brainwashed, and not you? Really? Why do you think only one country tweaks or softens the edges of history, while all the others honestly reflect the past? We Russians have far more rights than you do in Poland, and the only thing banned as propaganda is LGBT, which is absolutely right – Russia doesn't support all kinds of madness. Is that okay with you? Okay, we don't mind, just don't bother us with this and that's it. "Ukraine is not your country" (c) - essentially, it is a country created by the USSR, no matter how you look at it. However, all that a nuclear power demanded of a non-nuclear power, which was also sealed by various treaties but violated, was not to allow the hostile NATO bloc into its territory. However, Ukraine violated these agreements, because once again it trusted Britain, which is not capable of properly defending itself, and the United States, which, if it cares about anyone, only in terms of plundering resources. "Trump wants to annex" (c) - yes, BUT the majority of Russians actually live in the territory of three regions of Ukraine - this is a fact, not fiction! Moreover, the main reason was not national and ethnic reasons, but specifically the violation of the agreements preventing NATO access. Why does China support Russia in this matter? Because it doesn't need your "peace-loving" bloc on its side either, imagine that! NATO is a geopolitical, aggressive bloc that It's expanding for the purpose of pressure, which has long been known to anyone even slightly interested in geopolitics. NATO has no defense function. "This is how democracy ends" (c) - that's your main mistake! Democracy is a fake; it never existed! As soon as financial institutions fail and a country isn't sold out to the major players on the world stage, superpowers immediately resort to armed methods. "We live peacefully here" (c) - as long as you obey, yes! Try to object and you'll see what the world really is like! Understand the difference: we're raised to believe that the world isn't all vanilla rivers and ponies on a rainbow, whereas listening to you, it is. However, as you can see, the very champions of "democracy" have today unleashed new wars on yet another small country and one medium-sized one, and if you track their actions over the last 30 years, you can safely say Eliminate the concept of democracy as such. Since you say you live peacefully, then why do you always get involved every time we have some kind of dispute with someone and always side with the enemy? It doesn't matter whether it's political or military—you're always against it, even if it's not to your advantage. We see it! I don't think that if France attacked Poland tomorrow, we would side with France. You, like us, Slavic peoples, should learn, together with the Ukrainians, to understand our country's security concerns! We have a ton of territory, and we don't need your absolute

 

Let me summarize, so that neither you nor I get any leftist bans: you Poles have perfectly reasonable grievances against us Russians, just as we have grievances against you. You advocate peace, friendship, and chewing gum, right? Well, maybe we should look for solutions instead of trying to screw each other over at every opportunity? Whether you like it or not, you and we are one Slavic group of peoples, so if you are for peace, let's seek it together, not separately, because we have much more in common than you might think. Fighting is easy, but being able to negotiate is quite another matter. They've been trying to reach an agreement with Ukraine for over 10 years, to no avail—some people choose this path. If you want to discuss the problems of relations between our peoples, add me, we can discuss it in a private message, because in "democratic" Steam, freedom of speech is not encouraged if it conflicts with the policies of the host country.

 

Yes, how convenient it is to rewrite history, isn't it? Poland was repelled almost immediately, France fumbled for a month, and so on down the list. No one was ready for war, and neither was the USSR. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was merely a cunning move that delayed the start of an already obvious war between Germany and the USSR, but gave us time to at least prepare. Are you jealous that you didn't grasp such a simple truth? What's the result? The USSR liberated you, along with most of the rest of Europe, otherwise you'd now be producing German sausages under lashes in factories. This is enough for me to understand that what's being poured into your heads is a twisted truth, so I don't want to continue this pointless dialogue, which could even get you banned. As I said: a) write in your own language, otherwise you'll lose respect; b) if you want to discuss something, join us and we'll discuss it; they won't let you do it here. Unfortunately, I won't comment further, as it's already clear what patterns you followed in school, etc. p.s. "Russia doesn't negotiate with the weak. That's why they talk to the United States more often than to Ukraine itself." - We tried to negotiate with Ukraine for 10 years until we realized they don't govern anything at all and do everything at the behest of the British and Americans. So it's logical that dialogue is conducted with those who decide things, not with those who decide nothing. If that's wrong for you, it's perfectly logical for me. Good luck!

 

"Dedovshchina is still practiced in the Russian army today" (c) - it sucks when you don't know what you're talking about. The military has long since had a one-year service limit, which rules out the very possibility of hazing, since for that to happen, the difference between conscriptions would have to be within that same year.

 

How can you know anything if, as I said before, you're 30 years behind in our country? Are we against Putin? Putin has united the peoples of the country, we all appreciate and respect him for his work, he's the best president the country has ever seen in decades. Now you're going to tell me that his 90%+ support in the elections is a bot- and FSB-fueled tweak. Yes, the people really do support him. There's a small group of idiots who don't like him, but if you argue with them, they have zero arguments, only assumptions and rumors that are easily refuted. I'm a living example of someone who voted for Putin. And if he wants to work some more, I'll be happy, because I can only imagine there are one or two replacements for him: Lavrov or Nebenzya, who are also getting on in years. These three are the most competent and powerful politicians not only in the country, but in the world. Why should I be against Putin if he's making my country great? I don't think I've heard anything more absurd than your statement in a long time. It's terrifying, what kind of mess are you guys in the West having in your heads?

 

I have no idea why you think Russians don't give a damn about Poles. If I previously recognized you as one of our peoples, that would mean I don't give a damn about myself. You don't know Putin, and all the information you're hearing is unlikely to be accurate, because to listen to you, it's like Putin eats children for breakfast. "Are you saying you're not preparing an attack on us and the other Baltic states?" (c)—and why would we need you?) Are you rich in resources, an economy, and so on? A restoration of the USSR? Oh, I'd love to bring back that powerful country, but a lot would change, and that's the past, which has no place in the future. So my answer is no. Don't deploy British and US ballistic missiles and bases on your territory, and no one will even remember you. Please understand our concerns. Putin never said there are a lot of Satanists in Poland—show me that video. As for the Nazis in Ukraine—perhaps they're only showing you what's necessary, otherwise you'd see what they're doing there. But they're not doing it because they're Nazis, they're simply doing it to spite us, because they know our history and their hostility toward that part of it. As I've said before, the only real reason for the war in Ukraine is the admission of NATO bases to its territory and covert attempts to deploy medium- and short-range missiles there—all of this hasn't gone unnoticed, and unfortunately, over the past 10 years, no agreement has been reached. All other reasons are indirect; they wouldn't have triggered military action. Look at the current war with Iran waged by the US and its Zionist minions – there are completely unfounded reasons, their sole purpose being the further plunder of resources. I would be more concerned about the US than Russia, which has unleashed dozens of conflicts over the past 30 years, while Russia has unleashed only a handful, and even those within its own country, in regions where the opposition was generously supplied by the aforementioned Brits and Yankees. The Poles aren't as close to us as the Ukrainians, but we recognize you as the same group of peoples as ourselves, so even if a conflict were to arise, it wouldn't look like the one in Iran today, where they're bombing the capital for show, killing civilians. Have you ever seen Russia bomb Kyiv, for example? We could easily reduce it to rubble. They're trying to wage war on the Ukrainians gently and with persuasion even now, but many, unfortunately, perceive this as weakness. Any idiot can bomb everything to hell, like the US and the Jews. I would advise you to reconsider this simple fact. However, I repeat, we have absolutely no claims on Poland as long as it doesn't side with our geopolitical adversaries. Moreover, we plan to return your regions, which are now part of Ukraine, if the war continues. You are aware that three regions of Ukraine are historically Polish territory, right? I think you know that. Most of Ukraine is part of Russia, Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia. "You want to save us" (c) - no, we don't need you, just don't put a spoke in our wheel, and we can even become friends and allies on many issues. "You just introduced terrible standards in the army" (c) - my friend, I'm a military man myself and for some reason I don't know about "terrible" standards in the army, whereas I can definitely say that your government has legalized the murder of Russians. You can easily find this information yourself. But why? Mercenary work isn't legal in any country in the world, but you're the first here. Are there any threats from Russia toward Poland? I see the opposite, but I admit you're also wary. So let's negotiate, like all normal people do, and it will be easier for everyone. "Where there are moral standards" (c) - guys, there are no moral standards anywhere. As I said earlier, there are superpowers and there are smaller countries that are forced to accept the conditions imposed on them - that's all. Let's not talk about leftist terms like morality, democracy, and the like. You've already seen for yourselves that none of that exists, only the interests of the powerful. This is the evolution of life on Earth, and the only difference is that people can SOMETIMES come to an agreement, which doesn't exist in the wild. I have no complaints about the Poles. I actually consider you a brotherly people, pitted against us for centuries in a divide-and-conquer war. But I hope that one day we will finally get along as one group of peoples with much in common. And no, not as part of USSR 2.0, but as separate countries with similar cultures.

 

You don't know Putin, and all the information you're hearing is unlikely to be accurate, because to listen to you, it's like Putin eats children for breakfast. "Are you saying you're not preparing an attack on us and the other Baltic states?" (c)—and why would we need you?) Are you rich in resources, an economy, and so on? A restoration of the USSR? Oh, I'd love to bring back that powerful country, but a lot would change, and that's the past, which has no place in the future. So my answer is no. Don't deploy British and US ballistic missiles and bases on your territory, and no one will even remember you. Please understand our concerns. Putin never said there are a lot of Satanists in Poland—show me that video. As for the Nazis in Ukraine—perhaps they're only showing you what's necessary, otherwise you'd see what they're doing there. But they're not doing it because they're Nazis, they're simply doing it to spite us, because they know our history and their hostility toward that part of it. As I've said before, the only real reason for the war in Ukraine is the admission of NATO bases to its territory and covert attempts to deploy medium- and short-range missiles there—all of this hasn't gone unnoticed, and unfortunately, over the past 10 years, no agreement has been reached. All other reasons are indirect; they wouldn't have triggered military action. Look at the current war with Iran waged by the US and its Zionist minions – there are completely unfounded reasons, their sole purpose being the further plunder of resources. I would be more concerned about the US than Russia, which has unleashed dozens of conflicts over the past 30 years, while Russia has unleashed only a handful, and even those within its own country, in regions where the opposition was generously supplied by the aforementioned Brits and Yankees. The Poles aren't as close to us as the Ukrainians, but we recognize you as the same group of peoples as ourselves, so even if a conflict were to arise, it wouldn't look like the one in Iran today, where they're bombing the capital for show, killing civilians. Have you ever seen Russia bomb Kyiv, for example? We could easily reduce it to rubble. They're trying to wage war on the Ukrainians gently and with persuasion even now, but many, unfortunately, perceive this as weakness. Any idiot can bomb everything to hell, like the US and the Jews. I would advise you to reconsider this simple fact. However, I repeat, we have absolutely no claims on Poland as long as it doesn't side with our geopolitical adversaries. Moreover, we plan to return your regions, which are now part of Ukraine, if the war continues. You are aware that three regions of Ukraine are historically Polish territory, right? I think you know that. Most of Ukraine is part of Russia, Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia. "You want to save us" (c) - no, we don't need you, just don't put a spoke in our wheel, and we can even become friends and allies on many issues. "You just introduced terrible standards in the army" (c) - my friend, I'm a military man myself and for some reason I don't know about "terrible" standards in the army, whereas I can definitely say that your government has legalized the murder of Russians. You can easily find this information yourself. But why? Mercenary work isn't legal in any country in the world, but you're the first here. Are there any threats from Russia toward Poland? I see the opposite, but I admit you're also wary. So let's negotiate, like all normal people do, and it will be easier for everyone. "Where there are moral standards" (c) - guys, there are no moral standards anywhere. As I said earlier, there are superpowers and there are smaller countries that are forced to accept the conditions imposed on them - that's all. Let's not talk about leftist terms like morality, democracy, and the like. You've already seen for yourselves that none of that exists, only the interests of the powerful. This is the evolution of life on Earth, and the only difference is that people can SOMETIMES come to an agreement, which doesn't exist in the wild. I have no complaints about the Poles. I actually consider you a brotherly people, pitted against us for centuries in a divide-and-conquer war. But I hope that one day we will finally get along as one group of peoples with much in common. And no, not as part of USSR 2.0, but as separate countries with similar cultures.

 

Regarding Poland's legalization of mercenarism and alleged military "rumors," the law "On the Decriminalization of Mercenary Activity" came into effect in February 2026. Under this law, individuals who participated in military operations as mercenaries in Ukraine received amnesty with the possibility of subsequently continuing such activities. The law was passed by a majority vote of the Sejm. Poland is the only country in the world where mercenarism is not punishable by imprisonment. That's how things are.

 

"We're too poor after the occupation" (c) - there will always be reasons! You're in the European Union decades after you were left completely poorer than North Korea, which has been almost completely isolated and under massive sanctions for the same decades? Sorry, guys, but we won't believe such nonsense. Besides, if you're so poor, how did you get several thousand tanks for Ukraine? Their upkeep costs a pretty penny. I'll tell you straight out: as long as you don't deploy military bases and weapons from our geopolitical rivals, there won't be any problems. But as soon as that happens, there will be a reaction, and then you'll have to figure out what to do with it. I would suggest allying with us: we have at least changed our approaches and are honestly fulfilling our agreements, as can be confirmed by a number of countries like the UAE, Africa, India, China, and so on. Meanwhile, your so-called European "allies" are openly exploiting you, and I'll cite the following example: you were promised new German tanks for the tanks you supplied to Ukraine, but you still haven't received them and never will. Whether it's worth doing business with those who are simply taking advantage of you is up to you, but I'd think twice. "If we have external aid, you'll be worse off" (c) - we are waging a SOFT WAR with Ukraine, using persuasion, extensive dialogue, and so on. Yes, it's possible that in the event of a similar conflict, even with you, as a people close to us, the war would be quite soft, but think for yourself: what's the point of a non-nuclear country confronting a nuclear power? It's like going after a bear with a club in winter and hoping that a British prince in tights or a French musketeer won't get stuck in the snow and freeze his ass off and come to the rescue—it's just as unrealistic. "Yes, to defend yourself" (c) - in a situation where no one is attacking you and there are no preconditions for it, your militarization looks more like preparation for war followed by provocation than an attempt to defend yourself. "You're allowed to do it, we're not" (c) - I don't mind if you develop your own nuclear weapons. I've already cited the example of North Korea, which is clearly poorer than you, but which managed to achieve this goal. Did anyone hinder it? The US is far away and would have been unable to conduct operations like today's. Besides, the people of North Korea are united and don't succumb to outside bribes, so the US couldn't put pressure on them. Russia doesn't care whether anyone else has nuclear weapons or not—everyone has the right to develop such weapons, if that makes you feel better. "I would have known" (c) - no, you wouldn't have known. Since the internet is controlled by one known party that was opposed to Russia, you only knew what you needed to know. Snowden won't let you lie. "Ukraine renounced nuclear weapons" (c) - Ukraine didn't have a single nuclear weapons development facility of its own, only arsenal assembly centers, so they had nothing to renounce, especially since those agreements obligated Ukraine not to join NATO or any other military blocs, so it's certainly not Russia that's violating the treaties. As soon as Ukraine announced its desire to join the bloc, it was logically viewed as an accomplice of the aggressor. That NATO is a military-politically aggressive bloc is beyond anyone's doubt, except for the naive, those uninterested in geopolitics, and the events in Serbia are further proof of this—a fact, I note, not a fiction. "You dream of a great Russia" (c)—that's what they tell you about our dreams, about USSR 2.0, and so on, so you'll fork out money for defense. But our Russia is already great—we don't need to dream about that, any more than we need to dream about conquering the Poles, especially given your claims that you're poorer than South Korea, so poor that you can't even develop anything. Why would we want to conquer you? To feed a few tens of millions more?) Even if this is a counter-tactic, an attempt to push us into taking you over – don't dream about it, we have enough without you. But if you want to cooperate and gain mutual benefit from some joint projects – contact us, and if you prove yourself to be good guys, you can count on full military protection, like Belarus. That's a reasonable offer, but do you think if we actually attacked you today, would anyone protect you under the NATO charter?) I can say with certainty that the answer is no, and we understand that perfectly well.

 

Regarding legalization, I forgot: search "Poland passed a law decriminalizing mercenaries in Ukraine" online—I think you'll find it. You won't believe Russian sources, and I'm having trouble finding foreign ones, even though I first heard it there and only later looked for more details in our own. Since it was a month ago, I can't remember where on YouTube I heard it. It's possible Rachel Blevins, a British journalist, said it, but I can't remember which episode. However, I later searched Russian sources and it was confirmed. I can send you the Russian ones, but you'd better search the Polish ones yourself—you've blocked everything for Russians there, so even with a VPN it's not always possible to get through.

 

 

[Dimazz]

25 minut temu, Klakier1984 napisał(a):

Jak widać "udało się" można interpretować na wiele sposobów

Tak jak wygraną na Ukrainie. każdy będzie miał swoją interpretację. Ukraina wygrała bo zachowała suwerenność. Rosja wygrała bo przejęła tereny ze złożami surowców

[drex1]

Trump: Inwazja lądowa na Iran byłaby stratą czasu. Chcemy zmienić przywództwo

Prezydent USA Donald Trump oświadczył w czwartkowym wywiadzie dla telewizji NBC News, że inwazja lądowa na Iran byłaby "stratą czasu”, gdyż kraj ten stracił już potencjał militarny. Zaznaczył jednak, że Waszyngton zamierza "oczyścić” Teheran z obecnych władz i ma już kandydatów na nowych przywódców

 

..ale jutro moze mu sie odwidzieć 

[huudyy]

@Keller weź to skasuj, to są jakieś urojenia ruskiego robactwa twierdzenia, że NATO miało swoje bazy na Ukrainie, albo że fala w ruskim wojsku po prostu nie istnieje, są po prostu irracjonalne.

[Keller]

12 minut temu, huudyy napisał(a):

@Keller weź to skasuj, to są jakieś urojenia ruskiego robactwa twierdzenia, że NATO miało swoje bazy na Ukrainie, albo że fala w ruskim wojsku po prostu nie istnieje, są po prostu irracjonalne.

Właśnie nie kasuję by wiedzieć jak oni się wypowiadają i co sądzą. Albo co im wmówiono.

Edytowane 10 minut temu przez Keller

[Badalamann]

@drex1 Trump może też kłamać, by zaskoczyć siły reżimowe. Tak samo było przecież z tym jak i poprzednim atakiem lotniczym.

 

Decyzje o uderzeniu zapadły dużo wcześniej, potem miesiącami prowadozno grę polityczna i wywiadowczą, udając że atak wcale nie jest pewny.